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The problem with Canon EOS 5D Mark II video

Posted by: Sulka

Update: before commenting, jump to the second post in this series.

Canon EOS 5D mark II supports HD video recording, and as can be seen in Vincent Laforet's sample short filmed with the camera, the picture quality is stunning.

There's just one problem. The camera only supports shooting 30 frames per second. This means the camera is effectively useless for Europe, since our TV uses 25 frames (or mostly, 50 fields) per second. You can convert between the formats, but it means you have to degrade the image by either dropping frames, which results in jerky movement or frame blending, which results in image ghosting.

Ghosting is hard to explain, so I created two movies that demonstrate the problem. The first one is the 30 fps movie of a bouncing 5D, and the second one is the same movie, converted to 25 fps using frame blending. If you stop the movement of the 25fps movie, you can see the horrible blur caused by the conversion. Below is a stop-frame from the resulting ghosting:



Now, if you shoot with 5D and post-convert to 30 fps, this issue will only be a problem in some shots. If you shoot mostly static subjects, people won't really notice the difference, except your picture will appear a bit blurrier in movement. However, when you get hit by this with a moving subject on a right kind of a background, it will make your shot impossible.

Given this problem, I think there's only one explanation as to why the camera only shoots at 30 fps: Canon intentionally crippled it. I refuse to believe the designers and executives who made the camera feature calls could be so ignorant that they didn't realize Europe lives in a 25/50 fps world (vs Japan and US, who use 30/60). Hence the call was probably made by whomever controls Canon products in Europe, who didn't want to see his video camera sales suffer.

The option to Canon users with this issue is that we either pressure Canon to implement 25 (and maybe 24 fps) support, or we help our friends at CHDK to hack the camera to support other frame rates. As can be seen by the Rob Galbraith EOS 1D debacle, Canon can be pressured to fix their products.

Canon - the hacking will happen if you don't support the other frame rates, so I recommend you add the support. You can only lose by angering your clientele, and making them jump ship with hacking your products.

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Comments

Posted by: Philip Van Ootegem 24 September, 2008 - 17:15:34

Thank you Sulka. Today I also posted about this problem on Dpreview. I really hope Canon will pick up this concern in time. Let's hope they will have implemented 25fps by the time the new 5DII hits the European market. If not, we will have to start lobbying, I suppose.

Posted by: timbe 24 September, 2008 - 17:18:00

I called local canon help desk in finland about this. They could only find 30 fps specs for finland. They mentioned that 30fps is now the norm in europe!

O tempore o mores

Posted by: osma 24 September, 2008 - 23:40:45

Sulka, what's this "TV" you're talking about? Does someone still have equipment that can repeat any of the dozen or so fps either natively or upconverted to an exact 2 or 3 times that many Hz?

Posted by: Peter 25 September, 2008 - 01:12:32

Both PAL and NTSC is dead! We don't even have analog broadcasts (in Sweden) anymore.

Just plug in camera, HD-box, SD-box or whatever in your TV via HDMI and all will be fine. This is not a problem.

"since our TV uses 25 frames"

Uhh? You should have upgraded your TV 5-10 years ago.

Posted by: Andy 25 September, 2008 - 06:03:08

This is completely irrelevant.

Most if not ALL TV produced in the last 10 years is able to play 24/25/30fps or 48/50/50Hz content. If your TV cannot play 30fps I doubt it could play HD content (1920x1080) so you should consider to upgrade your TV instead.

Posted by: Marshall 26 September, 2008 - 08:05:29

Thank you, very helpful information with a good example. Canon should include a 24p, 25p, and 30p as options to select. Just like Canon not adding a real auto-iso priority, this is yet another example of Canon purposefully neutering its gear in order to include these features in the next half-baked version of the camera. So sad.

Posted by: Sulka 26 September, 2008 - 12:22:47

Please read on to http://www.sulka.net/item/508 (the next post in this series) and comment there - this post didn't include all the relevant information.

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